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Part 5: My Story of Being A Member of The Abusive Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley
Part 5 of a 5-part series.
“A Badge of Honor” – My Excommunication & Shunning from a NeoCalvinist Church – by Velour/MtnShepherdess ©

TRIGGER WARNING: DISCUSSION OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
“Consider your excommunication as a badge of honor from a church like that!” –
Boz Tchividjian, Attorney/Law Professor/former sex crimes prosecutor/ advocate for child sex abuse victims/founder of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (G.R.A.C.E.), grandson of the Rev. Billy Graham, words of encouragement to me on my excommunication/shunning from Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley (California)
- Where I Found Help
I did an internet search on “excommunication” and found the Petrys blog, Joyful Exiles,
devoted to their excommunication and shunning at Mark Driscoll’s former Seattle church Mars
Hill. https://joyfulexiles.com/
I am glad that they put their painful experience, of Paul’s being fired and excommunicated and shunned in writing. He had opposed Mark Driscoll’s un-Biblical consolidation of power.
They were put in a terrible situation socially, emotionally, and financially for Paul doing the right thing.
Some of the former Mars Hill pastors/elders have repented: http://repentantpastor.com/ Mark Driscoll has not.
My internet searches also brought me to Spiritual Sounding Board and Julie Anne’s experience with an abusive, authoritarian church. And finally through her blog I found The Wartburg Watch.
- Deprogamming
I have learned that I know more than I thought I did. I learned the history of many abusive church practices from commentators here like Gram3 and others. They saved my sanity, along with the blog articles. I have been able to share what I’ve learned with others, including in my reviews about my former church.
Some current church members contact me through social media, wanting to get out of that church. I have given them tips on how to do that. And instead of criticizing the church, I ask them to tell me their concerns. They do. I tell them that I and others noticed the same things. I ask them to tell me about other churches they’ve been to where they were treated differently.
They do. I know that they have the answers within them, I simply see my job as being a safe person who can help pull insights out of them that they already know.
- Resources
- Thought Reform
I found it helpful to learn about Thought Reform techniques from therapist/cult expert/author Steve Hassan’s blog. Many of these NeoCalvinist churches, and other abusive groups, are using Thought Reform techniques to leverage conformity from members.
https://www.freedomofmind.com/
Hassan was inspired by the research of psychiatrist Dr. Robert Jay Lifton who studied Chinese Communist Thought Reform [brain washing] Techniques and the BITE model used by destructive groups, including my former church:
The BITE Model
| I. | Behavior Control |
| II. | Information Control |
| III. | Thought Control |
| IV. | Emotional Control |
https://www.freedomofmind.com/Info/BITE/bitemodel.phphttps://www.freedomofmind.com/Info/BITE/bitemodel.php
Brad/FuturistGuy who blogs here has already written about Dr. Robert Jay Lifton’s work:
https://futuristguy.wordpress.com/2012/05/16/the-hunger-games-trilogy-5a/
- Helpful Books I have found books on spiritual abuse and recovery from it helpful. The books that I have turned to most are:
- Healing Spiritual Abuse by Ken Blue
- Recovery from Churches That Abuse by Ronald Enroth (FREE online version)
- The Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse by David Johnson and Jeff Van Vonderen
- Spiritual Abuse Recovery by Barbara M. Orlowski
- Wade Burleson. I have found pastor Wade Burleson’s blog, he’s the pastor on The Wartburg Watch on E-Church on Sundays, very helpful in undoing so many of the false teachings that I was taught at my former church. http://www.wadeburleson.org/
- Egalitarian In the future, I hope to read Biblical Egalitarian writers, like Dr. Ron Pierce Rebecca Merrill Groothusis, and Gordon Fee’s Discovering Biblical Equality.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTzThBTUXq0&list=PLYtrZmQ7NN0CRA-gWcqZOvB5nmUuJ6FNe [some 15 hours]
- Also Barbara M. Orlowski recommended three books by Susanna Krizo that uncover the
Refuting Complementarian/Patriarchy agenda:
- Recovering from Un-Biblical Manhood and Womanhood: A Response to Evangelical Patriarchy
- When Dogmas Die: The Return of Biblical Equality
- Genesis 3: The Origin of Gender Roles
- Self-Care: A Supportive Friend And Treatment for Depression
I became friends with a woman who posts here and on Spiritual Sounding Board. We also became friends on Twitter. She has posted candidly about her treatment for depression. After talking to her, her bravery encouraged me to do same.
I was put on anti-depressant medication and anti-anxiety medication. It has really helped me with the emotional challenges and losses from my bad church experience. I also go to therapy once a week (regular therapist and not a Biblical counselor) and it has been helpful to help me process what happened and make concrete steps to take care of myself.
I receive emails from insiders at my former church, including my ex-senior pastor’smost recent email to several hundred church members about me, all lies per usual.
I have removed the names of the law enforcement agencies who are professional and whom my ex-pastor tried to take down in his attack on me, to give him credibility:
“Dear members-
[From this lie]One of our former members who is in the final step of church discipline, has recently been aggressively harassing some of our current members. She has been spreading malicious gossip [police department No. 1], the [police department no. 2] and [law enforcement agency no. 3] all say she is unstable and should be ignored and or avoided. So if she sends you a text or email, they suggest you ignore it and delete it with no reply. They believe if she receives no attention, that in time she will stop.
In the meantime ask God for protection over the Body of GBF [to this lie. This email is 100% lies and I have NOT contacted anyone. In point of fact the law enforcement agencies have repeatedly referred to the Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley pastors/elders as liars as has the California Attorney General.]
Blessings in Christ,
Pastor Cliff [McManis, Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley”
My ex-pastor’s email to several hundred church members is totally fabricated. Two church members work for police departments 1 and 2 and have repeatedly defended the senior pastor and the elders.
The third law enforcement has always said point blank that my church’s ex-pastors/elder were “lying” about the sex offender and that he is NOT coming off Megan’s List.
Additionally, it is not possible to “aggressively harass” current church members since I haven’t contacted any of them. I haven’t had any contact with church members by phone, text, email, in person or by other means. My ex-pastor’s email about me is a lie.
The law enforcement agencies have not said that I am mentally ill. To the contrary, they are alarmed at the conduct of these pastors/elders, including harassing former church members, excommunicating and shunning them, protecting a sex offender, and not cooperating with law enforcement.
I faithfully contact, every year, any school that rents their gym to my ex-church and tell them, “This is their policy about Megan’s List sex offenders and children. It would be wise for you to ban this church from your property as if it goes wrong you can be sued.”
Sometimes I wake up and my cheeks burn red with shame at what my ex-pastors/elders said about me and all of the people who believed them. My Wartburg Watch friend has gently said to me, “Give the shame back to them.” I have. I take my hands and say, “Here is the shame and it’s yours not mine” and I hand it back to them.
And I sent the senior pastor’s email to all of the law enforcement agencies, to the district attorney, and to the women’s groups in Silicon Valley that deal with domestic violence and sexual abuse, are well funded and staffed, and have attorneys. I also gave it to the San Jose Mercury News, our major newspaper. I told all of them that this pastor and the elders can put this in writing or tell police, even if asked by police. It will then be filing a false police report, a crime in California that they can be arrested and prosecuted for. Anyone who wants to make those assertions about me – that I did any of that – can face arrest and prosecution for telling that to police, because it’s not true.
26. What is a Healthy Church?
I have come across lots of books and articles on what an unhealthy church is and some qualities in a healthy church. But I now know that one of the most important qualities is LOVE, the only mark of a healthy Biblical church as someone on The Wartburg Watch wrote.
I posted this story recently on The Wartburg Watch, about love during the Christmas season. Real Biblical Love. I realized that the “formula” of church the NeoCalvinist way, or any way, that adds on to the radical message of Love on the cross…misses the message entirely. God took off the “training wheels” of NeoCalvinism and let me know that “playing it safe” when it comes to love was really harmful. So I must not look to pastors, elders, authors, or anyone else for my faith. I must look to Jesus.
I must love like Jesus. I must be around people that want to love like Jesus. And that doesn’t come through rules, formulas, shoulds and doctrines of men. It comes by being transformed by the Holy Spirit.
“At my former NeoCalvinist/9Marks/John MacArthur-ite church many people espoused a hatred for gays. They had vile speech, and were proud of it.
I can’t do that because of my job, I have to uphold anti discrimination laws, and because a boss (who is a wonderful, talented professional) is gay.
On a deeper level, I couldn’t abide by the lack of love. In these groups people also proudly shun gay relatives. John MacArthur recommends this.
As a Christian, I can’t.
Years ago, in December a few weeks before Christmas, some friends called to say that their young neighbor in the countryside in their town by a river had been taken by paramedics to my city’s emergency room. He was dying of AIDS.
It was the middle of the night, a pouring rain storm, I was in bed, cozy and warm.
And God insisted that I go visit this young man in the middle of the night. I had never done anything like that before, or with an AIDS patient (which on my own strength would have frightened me). But the Lord was insistent. “Go!”
So I got dressed, got a teddy bear and some Christmas candy together (early Christmas gifts from others). I called a little old lady friend Catherine, 100 years old, Catholic, a retired social worker and a lovely, warm, kind person who could melt anyone’s heart. I asked her if she wanted to come with me. I told her the Lord insisted I go, and I was going. It would be nice to have company, but I understood if she wanted to sleep.
She said she wanted to come. She got out of bed and got dressed as well.
I went to a 24-hour supermarket and bought a small table top Christmas tree, with little decorations on it, some sports magazines, entertainment magazines, and some snacks.
My elderly friend and I went to the hospital. I told the nurse at the ER that, “Sean’s [the young man who was so sick] Christmas Angels have arrived.”
He was so stunned when my little old lady friend and I walked in with gifts to see him. I introduced us. He was so terribly weak. And he hugged us. I got him a Pepsi and fed it to with him a straw. Sean kept hugging Catherine, 100 years old. She stroked his hair.
He kept saying, “This is the best Christmas I’ve ever had in my entire life.” He was in his mid 20’s. His mother had died when he was a child. His family that remained was very dysfunctional and they had disowned him. They lived back East in Massachusetts.
The little room for indigent patients was nothing spectacular to look at. Old large discolored white tiles on the floor. No art work on the walls. Old, tired sink near by.
It was 3am and it was pouring rain outside.
But I could feel the presence of God and the angels in that room. I could feel them.
I thought when I went to give Sean some Pepsi or a hug or whatever that I would bump into an invisible visitor. That room was physically ugly but it was so beautiful because it glowed from the presence of God!
Sean said to me, “If you ever need anything, call on me and I’ll be there.” I smiled and I thought to myself, “What is a guy with AIDS who is this weak going to do for me. He couldn’t even lift a box if I moved.” I smiled and nodded. Sean repeated it, “If you ever need anything call on me and I’ll be there.” I nodded and said, “If I ever need anything I’ll call on you and you’ll be there.” He smiled weakly and said, ” Yes.”
I went, or so I thought, to minister to a young man named Sean dying of AIDS that night.
I thought that was what God wanted me to do.
Instead something entirely different took place: I was ministered to. It was glorious.
I told Sean I would see him a few hours later that day, bring him some Mickey Mouse socks from the mall to keep his feet warm. He said he’d like that.
When I called the hospital in the morning to ask about Sean, the nurse said, “Oh you’re the lady who was here with the 100-year old lady visiting Sean. Sean passed away peacefully this morning at about 6:30 a.m.”
‘When you did this for the least among Me, you did it for Me.’ That is what my Lord would have me do. The Royal Law of Love.”
Related articles in 5-part series
Part 4: My Story of Being A Member of The Abusive Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley
Part 4 of a 5-part series.
“A Badge of Honor” – My Excommunication & Shunning from a NeoCalvinist Church – by Velour/MtnShepherdess ©

TRIGGER WARNING: DISCUSSION OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
“Consider your excommunication as a badge of honor from a church like that!” –
Boz Tchividjian, Attorney/Law Professor/former sex crimes prosecutor/ advocate for child sex abuse victims/founder of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (G.R.A.C.E.), grandson of the Rev. Billy Graham, words of encouragement to me on my excommunication/shunning from Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley (California)
- First Church Discipline Case: A Midde-Aged Woman Who Wouldn’t “Obey” and “Submit” To Her Husband According To The Senior Pastor
The first church discipline meeting I witnessed at Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley, before Dr. Luke’s excommunication and shunning, was that of a godly, middle-aged professional woman and wife. The senior pastor told church members to stay after the Sunday service for a closed door meeting. There were several hundred church members. The woman was not there.
The senior pastor told church members that they had “worked with [the wife] for a very long period of time and she was now at Step 3 of the Church Discipline process.”
He said that she “hadn’t obeyed and submitted to her husband”, who was still a church member.
The senior pastor denigrated this dear Christian woman before all of us. She is a lovely, kind, generous person. She has a special gift in working with mentally ill adults who live in group homes and evangelizing them as well as with the elderly in convalescent hospitals.
The senior pastor told hundreds of church members to “pursue her”. She responded by disconnecting her cell phone, her email, and moving out of the family home.
When I interviewed her she told me that there was something terribly wrong with Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley and that she refused to return. She went to another church in another denomination that had a solid church structure and outside accountability. She told me that the pastors/elders at our church had screamed and yelled at her, including coming to her home and screaming at her.
If they had done to me when she says they did to her, I would call the police and have them arrested.
The senior pastor told us at a members’ meeting later in the year that they had to “let her go”. Ya think? It’s a free country. She’s an adult and a tax payer. It was unconscionable to me that she was ever treated this way.
TRIGGER WARNING: DISCUSSION OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
- If You Want To Leave The Church You Have To Have An “Exit Interview” With Two Elders. Convicted Felons With Supervising Law Enforcement Agencies Aren’t Vetted When Joining The Church.
The pastors/elders changed the By-Laws and if church members want to leave they are required to meet with two pastors/elders to have an “exit interview”. As the books on spiritual abuse have also said that abusive churches make leaving very difficult.
The pastors/elders at Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley however permitted their friend a Megan’s List sex offender who was convicted for child pornography to join the church, become a member, and they placed him in a leadership position over a team. They gave him cart blanche access to all church activities.
He had served prison time and has a supervising law enforcement agency, the Sheriff’s sex offenders’ task force.
The pastors/elders told me that he was “coming off Megan’s List” because “he said so”. You have got to be kidding me? A convicted felon is on Megan’s List, was convicted for sex crimes, served time in prison has a supervising law enforcement agency and the pastors/elders take ‘his word’ instead of doing ‘due diligence’ with his supervising law enforcement agency?
The sheriff’s sex offenders’ task force and the California Attorney General’s Office called my ex-pastor’s and the elders’ stories “all lies” and “total lies”. They said the sex offender is NOT coming off Megan’s List. At this writing, he’s still on it.
17. The Rest Of The Story…A Bruising Meeting With Pastors/Elders About The Megan’s List Sex Offender
As I said in the beginning of my story, the problems at this church – too many to count – came to a head over the issue of the Megan’s List sex offender at church that I had discovered by accident while doing a separate research project on a city’s sex offenders for a former sex crimes prosecutor.
I recognized the man at church as being the man I had seen on Megan’s List of sex offenders. I reported my findings to the church’s pastors/elders. They called me to a meeting.
I thought that we were going to have an adult conversation about child safety. It wasn’ “adult” at all. It was like all of the other things that they had mishandled.
17a. “Child Porn Isn’t A Big Deal”
The pastors/elders told me that “child porn wasn’t a big deal.” I told them it was “a very big deal” and it’s a violation of federal and state laws, felony crimes. I went on to detail the differences between adult pornography which is legal and child pornography which is illegal. I discussed all of the crimes committed against children to make child pornography, including rape, sodomy, oral copulation, false imprisonment, kidnapping, and drugging, to name just some of the crimes.
The senior pastor blushed bright red when I tackled the subject of pornography without flinching.
17b. “Why Are You Calling Him A Sex Offender?”
The senior pastor was furious that I had called the man “a sex offender”. He demanded to know why I was using that word. I replied, “It’s not my term. It’s a legal term. A person convicted of sex offenses is called a sex offender in the criminal codes.”
17c. Megan’s List Sex Offender Invited To Volunteer At Basketball Camp
The pastors/elders told me that they had invited the Megan’s List sex offender to volunteer at the five-day basketball camp that the church puts on for children in the summer time. The pastors/elders did not tell all parents, both church members and non-church members that a Megan’s List sex offender who is sexually attracted to children, could show up at any time to work with their children. It was not posted on the enrollment forms and posters.
What parent in their right mind would trust their children to a church knowing that a sex offender was given access to them by the pastors/elders?
Additionally, the Seventh Day Adventists, who rented their school’s gym to our church, hadn’t been told that a Megan’s List sex offender had been invited to come on to their property.
The Seventh Day Adventists are self-insured, they can be sued for any criminal acts against children that occur on their property, and they have strict child safety policies. Their authority at their own property was not respected by my (ex) church’s pastors/elders. I contacted the SDA school and I asked them.
17d. Had I Prayed For The Sex Offender?
The pastors/elders said that they sex offender was their friend, they had known him for years and they would entrust their children to him. They demanded to know if I had “prayed for him”. I told them that I was there to discuss the safety our church’s children, not prayer time. You do not bet the safety of children with someone who has already shown that when he had a choice between adult porn and child porn that he chose child porn.
Someone who is sexually attracted to children shouldn’t be around them.
(Note: According to a research study by the F.B.I. and the District Attorneys’ Association of inmates in prison for child porn, the majority of them confessed to having gotten away with “on-contact” sexual abuse of children. That shouldn’t come as a surprise to most people.)
17e. Pastors/Elders Said Mothers Aren’t Permitted To Protect Their Children
The senior pastor said that mothers aren’t permitted to protect their children and that if a father determines that the sex offender can touch his children that his word “is final” over his family and that his wife is “to obey” and “to submit” to him.
I hit him back with, “Mothers are required by God and California law to protect their children! She is NOT off the legal hook of responsibility by obeying and submitting to her husband. If it all goes wrong, she can be arrested and prosecuted for criminal negligence, child endangerment, child abuse, and a variety of other crimes. She can land in jail or state prison. Child Protective Services can take away her children and put them in foster care.”
17f. Had I Confronted The Sex Offender Per Matthew 18:15-17?
“Jeff T on The Wartburg Watch blog”:
‘Matthew 18
God I’m sick of hearing this from fascist church leaders. They NEVER use it to engage in a Spirit-filled discussion of resolving differences. It’s ALWAYS used as an instrument of oppression. Whenever someone in their church raises an issue they don’t want discussed, they stand up and shout “Matthew 18!, Matthew 18!”, the person raising the issue is then hustled off to a backroom and subjected to a process worthy of a Chinese Communist reeducation camp. They are told they are wrong, not on the basis of anything having to do with the issue itself, but because they are refusing to submit to authority, they are being divisive, ergo they are sinners and must repent and if they don’t, they are subjected to “church discipline”, meaning they are shunned and harassed.’
The pastors/elders were enraged that I had written the California Attorney General’s Office about the sex offender, beneath his picture on Megan’s List. He had attended the Bible study that I go to and had whipped the entire Bible study into a frenzy of anger one night about all of the “bad people in prisons”, save me who was staring him down. He had omitted that he was a felon, had served prison time, was convicted of sex crimes, and was on Megan’s List. I went home that night, summarized the evening for the Attorney General and said, “Don’t EVER take him off Megan’s List. He is highly manipulative.”
The four pastors/elders said that I was supposed to confront him pursuant to Matthew 18:15-17 and they told me that I had failed. I shot back with, “It was YOUR job to protect all of us from him. I’m NOT confronting a convicted felon, a sex offender who is more than 6’0” feet tall, when I’m a woman. This is YOUR failing not mine.”
17g. Chairman of the Elder Board Closed The Meeting With A Threat To Me
The chairman of the elder board of Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley, the church that I had belonged to for nearly eight years, closed the meeting about my concerns for our church’s safety about a Megan’s List sex offender at church, by opening his Bible to a pre-marked page and reading it to me in somber tones. He read me a Scripture that I was basically not one of them and that I was destined for Hell.
He and the other three pastors/elders issued a threat to me that they intended to follow through on.
He then called me at home a few days later and told me that he and the other pastors/elders had made “a decision” and that I was to never contact law enforcement again about the Megan’s List sex offender. He also told me that I was to never reveal the name to law enforcement of the church I was a member of, the names of the pastors/elders, or the church’s location. The chairman of the elder board told me that I was “to obey” and “to submit” to them in “all things”.
According to the pastors/elders the Membership Covenant entitles them to control every aspect of members’ lives. In the United States and in my state (California) you can’t “contract” for illegal acts and that is not enforceable.
The “orders” of the pastors/elders can constitute Criminal Conspiracy (an agreement between two or more persons), Aiding and Abetting, Accessory After the Fact (if a crime has already occurred that is being covered up), Obstruction of Justice, Intimidating a Witness, and a Failure to Report as a Mandated Child Abuse Reporter, to name just a few crimes. The pastors/elders can face arrest and prosecution for their conduct.
- Sick, and Finally Sick and Tired Of An Authoritarian, Abusive Church
In 2014, the Chairman of the Elder Board demanded meetings from me about the accusations made about me by the woman Dyslexic. I refused.
I had been acutely ill for five weeks with a serious lung condition, I had been in and out of the hospital, and I was tired. I was tired of their controlling every aspect of my life. I stood my ground with him and told him I wanted an apology for their prior threat to me. Enraged, he told me that I owed them an apology and I was banned from church and church property until I made “it right with them”. I refused. .
- Excommunicated And Shunned…Mine.
Hundreds of church members were told to never speak to me again. That I was under Church Discipline. You know the usual story that the pastors/elders had “worked with me for years” (you mean screamed at me and threatened me) and that it had all been “to no avail”.
The pastors/elders told such a manipulative story about me that friends who had been close to me for years, that said I was one of the only people at church to support them, refused to ever speak to me again.
None of what the pastors/elders told about me was true. It was all lies. Like all of the other lies they told about the middle-aged professional woman who left and Dr. Luke.
“As Stephen Arteburn and Jack Felton [authors of Toxic Faith] remind us, it is often the case that ‘anyone who rebels against the system must be personally attacked so people will think the problem is the person, not the system.” Ronald Enroth, Recovering from Churches That Abuse, (Grand Rapids: Zondervan Publishing House, 1994), 153., FREE here:
http://www.reveal.org/development/Churches_that_Abuse.pdf
[Note: This book and Dr. Enroth’s other book Churches That Abuse are available for FREE online, here: http://www.reveal.org/development/Recovering_from_Churches_that_Abuse.pdf I recommend them.]
- First Christmas…Empty Mail Box
My mail box used to be full of Christmas cards and gifts. I didn’t get anything from friends I had at church for nearly eight years. I would open up my mail box every day from around Thanksgiving to New Year’s. I did not receive one card or gift. Some members emailed me and told me they would never have anything to do with me again. They told me that they hated me.
And none of what the pastors/elders told them about me was true. The pastors/elders had intentionally withheld what the pastors/elders did to me.
“In his [Ronald Enroth] study of authoritarian groups, public discipline, ridicule, and humiliation become the common experience of participants. The fact that there is little or no feedback available to members from the outside provides an unhindered environment where leaders can demand corporate obedience to them with unquestioning loyalty to the group. The damage created in these groups is that true freedom in Christ is forfeited for human power. Leaders who practice spiritual abuse exceed the bounds of legitimate authority by lording it over the flock. All too often these leaders have the audacity to intrude into the personal lives of members. As many people regrettably find out, abusive leaders are self-centered and adversarial and there is little chance for any type of reconciliation or restoration.” Barbara M. Orlowski, Spiritual Abuse Recovery (Eugene: Wipf & Stock, 2010), 43.
Related articles in 5-part series
Part 3: My Story of Being A Member of The Abusive Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley
Part 3 of a 5-part series
“A Badge of Honor” – My Excommunication & Shunning from a NeoCalvinist Church – by Velour/MtnShepherdess ©

TRIGGER WARNING: DISCUSSION OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
“Consider your excommunication as a badge of honor from a church like that!” –
Boz Tchividjian, Attorney/Law Professor/former sex crimes prosecutor/ advocate for child sex abuse victims/founder of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (G.R.A.C.E.), grandson of the Rev. Billy Graham, words of encouragement to me on my excommunication/shunning from Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley (California)
- Council on Biblical Manhood Womanhood’s Teachings
I had never heard of the Council on Biblical Manhood Womanhood and its dangers. I never knew that seeing it on a church website was a warning sign of an abusive church and an authoritarian structure, just like seeing the names 9Marks or Acts 29.
My ex-pastor repeatedly told women to “obey” and “submit”. They were treated like second-class citizens. I was shocked when I first heard him say it. We were told that it was “Biblical”, which I’ve just learned means, “Do it our way and don’t question. If you question us you’re un-Biblical.”
The pastor taught us women a book about being Biblical women. We met on one night a week at the church for several months.
We were told that women couldn’t be teachers. I really began to question Complementarian teachings, which I have since learned from Wartburg Watch readers like Gram3 that it started being heavily taught in the late 1990’s.
My Presbyterian grandmother had women medical missionary friends who were doctors and provided medical care and taught The Gospel in remote parts of the world. I grew up seeing their slide shows and seeing changed lives and villages.
I began to question the Comp teaching that women “couldn’t”, “shouldn’t” teach or employ their other gifts from God, when I thought about all of those women that I had seen further the kingdom. I knew it wasn’t true. I had met Christian women teachers, missionaries, and pastors since I was a child.
At the NeoCalvinist, Complementarian promoting church we had strictly segregated events. Women weren’t allowed to go fishing, to ball games, or to do trips in the mountains. Those were for the men. We were strictly segregated from the men and did things like ladies teas with a speaker and crafts projects. While they were nice events, many of us gals just wanted to be tom-boys and do fun stuff, without dressing up.
- Pulpit Message: No Signed Membership Covenant, Don’t Come To Worship
My ex-senior pastor would say from the pulpit how did he know if you were one of his flock, how did the elders know, if you didn’t sign a Membership Covenant? He would proudly proclaim that to members, attenders, and new visitors. He would say, “Oh a person told me that I was THEIR pastor. I’m SO glad that they did, because I didn’t know that!” I was really alarmed at the whole embarrassing spectacle. I would think, “They showed up to church and you can’t tell from that alone that they are one of yours?”
The other elders started parroting the same embarrassing message when they were up at the pulpit and that the elders didn’t know that you were one of theirs if you didn’t sign a Membership Covenant.
Then the pastors/elders started announcing that people couldn’t come to church if they didn’t sign a Membership Covenant. My cheeks were red with embarrassment at the sheer rudeness shown to Christians, including visitors. Some visitors got up and walked out during the service and I don’t blame them.
One dear Christian man, who didn’t believe in Membership Covenants, was banned from coming to church. He had been coming for years.
One of the elders started saying from the pulpit that if “you aren’t willing to sign a Membership Covenant than God obviously hasn’t called you to this church”. As Nick in Scotland, who comments here on The Wartburg Watch has said, that is a good thing after all because people don’t need to be a member of a church like my ex-church.
- I’m Confused. The Elect? Calvinism? NeoCalvinism? What Is That?
I didn’t know anything about Calvinism or that I had chosen a NeoCalvinist church.I began to suspect something was up when the pastors/elders started talking about “The Elect” from the pulpit, in Adult Sunday School, and during Good Friday testimonies, including mine.
After I finished my testimony, about how the Lord had used all different kinds of people especially African-American women to carry The Gospel to me at a dark time in my life, and reach in to my life with love and kindness and nothing more, I began to melt. I didn’t know what they had, but I wanted it. I knew they were different. The chairman of the elder board said that I had been among “The Elect”, that God had known in advance that I was chosen for salvation.
I thought the whole idea of The Elect made a mockery of Jesus. If God knew in advance where everyone was going – Heaven (The Elect) or Hell (The Un-Elect) than Jesus’ birth, life, death and resurrection were redundant. Jesus could have just stayed in Heaven.
My senior pastor carried this The Elect talk to ridiculous proportions when he bragged from the pulpit that in the end times when Jesus comes back and there is a war that my pastor will be given a horse to ride and to do battle on behalf of Jesus.
I would sit in my pew and think, “A guy like you, who has screamed, yelled, bullied threatened, lied about, excommunicated and shunned dear sweet saints thinks Jesus would trust you with a horse? Jesus wouldn’t trust you with the manure in the horses’ stable!”
I found these people who claim to be among The Elect, arrogant, smarmy, rude, unkind, lacking in Christian love and common decency, and lacking in the humility that we are to be conformed to in Jesus Christ.
Pride goeth before a fall, and what a fall so many of these arrogant people will have.I would be ashamed to go around talking that way.
- Obey and Submit to Your Elders
Max on The Wartburg Watch:
“Touch not my anointed” is not applicable in such cases, so let the rebuke fly! I don’t sense much, if any, anointing in New Calvinist ranks (their leaders are more annoying, than anointed).”
The pastors/elders grew arrogant in record time. Within my first year of membership, I asked my senior pastor a question and he hit me back with, “You are bringing an accusation against an elder without cause!” What? I was shocked. We are adults and I asked a question. What ever happened to adults having a conversation?
The pastors/elders would say from the pulpit that we had to “obey” them because they were “going to give an account to God for our souls.” I was shocked at how many times they pulled ranked with us, threatened us, silenced us. It became apparent to me that they didn’t think that we were all a priesthood of believers, in this together.
As all of the books on spiritual abuse have pointed out, this is a misused verse by authoritarian pastors/elders.
I then learned the importance of a congregational vote. We gave our money to the church, we served, we were members and we had no say in the running of our church. I will never make that mistake again.
We are a priesthood of believers and the Holy Spirit indwells us. We are perfectly capable of running our church. I think that they didn’t want a congregational vote because they could get fired from their jobs and they are all friends.
I will never join a church again that is run like that one. I will never give money to one again.
- Members’ Every Move Is Tracked
Members’ every move was tracked. From church attendance, to attendance in Adult Sunday School, Bible Studies, giving, and church events.
They assigned me to take attendance every week on a clipboard at the Sunday service. They said it was because they “cared” about the flock. I thought it odd. And I didn’t know it was heavy-Shepherding. If members missed church they were called and reminded to not forsake the meeting of the brethren. Many current and former church members have criticized these heavy- handed tactics and resented these intrusive phone calls for missing church for legitimate reasons.
When I couldn’t attend weekly Bible studies because of my schedule, the senior pastor screamed at me and demanded to know my “excuse”. I told him that I was working and commuting, that I wasn’t home in time.
I and other church members were forced in to coffee and lunch meetings with pastors/ elders. If I tried to get out of them, and I did try, I was ordered to show up. I had other people in my life to counsel me. It is one thing to be offered support “We’re here if you’d ever like to get together”, and it’s quite something else to be ordered to show up.
Before I started a new job I got a call from the chairman of the elder board about how to conduct myself. I found it insulting. He told me that I could be “too generous”. He didn’t know anything about my jobs and how I conduct myself. Again, it’s one thing to say you’re there if somebody wants job tips. It’s quite another thing to tell someone what they should do, unsolicited.
The pastors/elders also had a meeting about me and criticized me for bringing ten pounds of barbecue beef brisket to a church potluck. While my brisket disappeared quite quickly, I was admonished by the chairman of the elder board who called my home that I had been “too lavish”.
When I asked my Bible study leader and his wife if they’d be willing to meet some men in the future who wanted to date me, just to give me their opinion, my Bible Study leader ran it by the senior pastor to get his approval.
Other former church members reported this kind of insufferable control over their lives, down to being criticized by the pastors/elders for what they fed their children.
Related articles in 5-part series
A – Part 1: My Story of Being A Member of The Abusive Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley
Part 1 of a 5-part series.

Cartoon used by permission. David Hayward. Canada.
TRIGGER WARNING: DISCUSSION OF CHILD SEXUAL ABUSE
“A Badge of Honor” – My Excommunication & Shunning from a NeoCalvinist Church – by Velour/MtnShepherdess ©
“Consider your excommunication as a badge of honor from a church like that!” –
Boz Tchividjian, Attorney/Law Professor/former sex crimes prosecutor/ advocate for child sex abuse victims/founder of Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment (G.R.A.C.E.), grandson of the Rev. Billy Graham, words of encouragement to me on my excommunication/shunning from Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley (California)
1.Excommunication & Shunning. Threatened by pastors/elders for discovering a Megan’s List sex offender convicted for child pornography at church.
Nearly two years ago the Chairman of the Elder Board of Grace Bible Fellowship of
Silicon Valley (“GBFSV” http://www.gbfsv.org/) banned me from attending Sunday church services, banned me from attending any church events, banned me from having any communication with any church members (including my friends whom I’d known for nearly eight years), and told the Seventh Day Adventists who rent to GBFSV in Sunnyvale, California, (Silicon Valley) that I was banned from stepping foot on church property. I was then excommunicated and ordered to be shunned before hundreds of church members.
My “crime”? I had not committed any act of immorality. I would not bow to the authoritarian dictates of the chairman of the elder board who demanded that I apologize to all of the pastors/elders for their repeated threats to me about a Megan’s List sex offender at church whom I had discovered while doing a research project for a former sex crimes prosecutor. (I will discuss that in greater detail further in my story.)
My name joined the “banned from church property” list with the wonderful Dr. Luke (not his real name), a godly doctor in his 70’s, loving husband to his wife Mrs. Luke (not her real name). The Lukes have been married for nearly fifty years. Dr. Luke is also a loving father to grown children and a faithful evangelist at his office.
Dr. Luke had generously bought expensive books and DVD’s to start the church lendin library. Dr. Luke also invited and paid for the senior pastor to join Dr. Luke, pastor John MacArthur (Grace Community Church in Southern California, president of The Master’s College and The Master’s Seminary) on a trip to North Carolina a few years ago to meet the Rev. Billy Graham in person at his log cabin home in North Carolina. For all that Dr. Luke did for GBFSV, for all of his kindnesses to the senior pastor, for the stand-up Christian that I know him to be, the GBFSV pastors/elders told hundreds of church members, including members who work for well-known high-tech companies in Silicon Valley and members who are undergraduate and graduate students at the elite Stanford University, in a closed door Sunday meeting after the church service to NEVER speak to Dr. Luke again. The senior pastor said they had “worked with Dr. Luke for years” to no avail. The senior pastor said that Dr. Luke “wasn’t one of us” and if you had anything to do with him to “call him to repent”.
The senior pastor also accused Dr. Luke of false teaching, even though Dr. Luke had never taught any Bible classes at GBFSV, had never held Bible studies, and I knew that he wasn’t a false teacher.
The senior pastor told us to “pray” for Dr. Luke’s wife, and delivered this admonishment in serious tones, as though she was in some kind of hostage situation with her husband. When I interviewed Mrs. Luke, after my own excommunication, she told me that she’d always hated the senior pastor, the elders, and the church and that she thought something was terribly wrong with the church. She repeatedly warned her husband that they should not go to this church. She told me that she thought many of the church members were emotionally unhealthy because healthy people wouldn’t tolerate this treatment. She told me that she hoped this incredibly destructive, abusive church “implodes”. Me too.
Many church members secretly taped on their cell phones the excommunication and shunning of Dr. Luke, who was not present. Those individuals and families also left GBFSV after that.
After I was ordered to be excommunicated and shunned from the church on a trumped up charge by the pastors/elders, I contacted The Lukes. It turns out that the pastors/elders had invited Dr. Luke to a meeting at church. He went to the meeting thinking that they were going to ask him to be a church officer. Much to Dr. Luke’s surprise, the pastors/elders screamed at him and falsely accused him.
- How Had I Gotten In To A NeoCalvinist, 9Marks, Abusive, Authoritarian Church?
I missed all of the signs in an abusive church. In point of fact, I didn’t know what to look for in an abusive church.
I had tried a number of churches in various Silicon Valley cities that I had been invited to by friends. There was something wrong with them, but I couldn’t articulate the problems, many of which I have since learned about on The Wartburg Watch.
My most recent church had been a mega church that I had been invited to by a friend. It was independent with a hip pastor who had a large following and a radio program. While I liked the choir, I did not care for the irreverent sermons, the anonymity, and that constant demands for money. Taking a class at church meant having to come up with a lot of money to pay for it. Those without funds simply could not take classes.
A godly Christian woman I knew warned me that my mega church did not practice “Biblical Church Discipline” and that was one of their serious problems. She said that a husband from their church (Calvary Chapel) had an affair with a woman from the mega church. They disciplined their member (the husband) but that the mega church had refused to discipline their woman church member even when the smaller church’s elders had asked.
I had never heard the term “Biblical Church Discipline” and so I looked it up. I found Mark Dever’s 9Marks of a Healthy Church organization in Washington, D.C. He founded that organization. He is also the pastor of Capitol Hill Baptist Church. I read the 9 Marks of a Healthy church that were “missing” from so many of today’s churches. I thought surely I had found my answer to the churches that I’d attended that seemed so off. 9 Marks promised church health, stability, and a vibrant, growing church membership.
I did not know anything about the 1970’s heavy Shepherding Movement, some of the Florida founders later repented for its un-Biblicalness, authoritarianism, and abuses. I didn’t know that Mark Dever, and others, were simply using the Shepherding techniques again with the same disastrous results.
Comment from Todd Wilhelm on The Wartburg Watch on May 17, 2016:
“I think it was Brad the futurist guy that recommended a book to me titled “The Shepherding Movement: Controversy and Charismatic Eccliesiolgy” by S. David Moore.
I am currently reading the book and the similarity between 9Marx and the Shepherding movement is eerie. It is almost as if Dever has lifted all the Shepherding concepts and repackaged them for our day.”
- Finding a 9Marks Church On The Locator Map Near My Home
On the 9 Marks locator map I found a church near my home, Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley.
https://www.google.com/maps?daddr=653+W+Fremont+Ave%0D%0ASunnyvale,+CA+94087
I read the church website and they seemed to have all of the “marks” of a “healthy” church that Mark Dever talked about.
Yes, it all seemed there. What a relief, I thought, to find a bedrock of stability in a church world that had gone insane.
I went to the church. The church was new, started by a group of families from a Baptist church, and they were renting space from the Seventh Day Adventists.
The members seemed nice. There were slightly less than one hundred people. That seemed promising, that we could get to know each other. My needs in a church were simple and in retrospect naïve. I wanted to know other Christians, be known, hear the Word of God taught, grow as a Christian, and serve.
The music was reverent. The sermon seemed much more serious than the hip mega church pastor. The church members and attenders were an intelligent crowd, many working for high-tech firms in Silicon Valley. There was also a large contingent of students from the near by Stanford University. And another group of University of California at Los Angeles (U.C.L.A.) who had come to work for Silicon Valley tech companies.
The church also had a fellowship meal after the service, a potluck on most Sundays. This was, I was told, to follow the pattern of the early church and to eat together. It seemed fun and nice.
Jack on The Wartburg Watch:
“Just went to the website of this church [Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley]. The membership contract is a vague rip from Purpose Driven Life but the bylaws are the meat & potatoes!
In short, this corporation has no members. Members abrogate their rights upon signing the contract.
Just reading the bylaws lights up every warning alarm on the TWW checklist of what to look for in an abusive church. http://www.gbfsv.org/by-laws
No doubt new attendees are love bombed before they read the fine print.
You should write this up as a case study of churches to stay away from.
It would be interesting to know how you became involved.”
Statement of Faith
http://www.gbfsv.org/gbf-statement-of-faith
- Church Distinctives
http://www.gbfsv.org/our-ministry-distinctives
- Membership Covenant
http://www.gbfsv.org/becoming-a-member-of-grace-bible-fellowship
- By Laws
Bill M:
“BTW, I looked over the website of your former church [Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley], their resources page reads as a veritable who’s who of nefarious organizations discussed here. I also note that least half the elders are staff, this inverts the accountability and put way too much power in the hands of the pastor. The preface of their statement of faith gives me the shivers and don’t get me started on their membership covenant.”
- Resources: http://www.gbfsv.org/helpful-websites
- Elders: http://www.gbfsv.org/elders—deacons
- Statement of Faith: http://www.gbfsv.org/gbf-statement-of-faith
I didn’t know that researching a church to attend would involve as much research, or more, as buying a car.
I didn’t understand the implications of everything that I had missed on the church’s website, and that they were advertising authoritarianism and hierarchy, from the church to the family.
- Becoming A Member And Signing A Church Membership Covenant
I met with an elder and found out the process to become a church member. I had to write up my testimony, have several meetings with him, sign some church documents including a Membership Covenant, and meet with the pastors/elders as a group. I did all of those steps with another Christian woman. We were introduced as new church members to the church one Sunday morning.
- I Immersed Myself In Church Activities And Everything Seemed “Fine”
I immersed myself in church activities. I attended Adult Sunday School on Sunday mornings before church, I attended church services, and I volunteered to assist with the fellowship meal. Since I love to cook, I also cooked for the fellowship meal.
I attended Bible Studies when I could on Friday nights. The Bible Study leader, an engineer, took a great deal of time to prepare for the weekly Bible studies. He would sometimes spend forty hours a week preparing for the Friday night Bible Study in his and his wife’s home. They were gracious people and we had a fun time.
- If Everything Was “Fine” Why Were Good And Godly Families Leaving The Church To Never Be Seen Again?
After my first year of church attendance, I noticed that good and godly families, left the church never to be seen again. It was very odd. They were strong Christians, in the Word, wonderful, intelligent people. Kind, generous, funny. And they were leaving and going to other churches, never to be seen from or heard from again.
I asked the pastors/elders and other long-time members where these solid church members had gone. I was shut down from any answers. I was told it was “their time to leave” or they had “been called by God to another church” or given no answers. It was odd.
Families that had helped found the church, including an elder, were leaving. If they were called away by God, why didn’t we all say a proper “good bye” to them? After all they were “family”. Our church family.
I made a mental note. As the years went by, I noticed the pattern and grew alarmed by it. People left and would not give an answer as to why they were leaving. They gave furtive glances. Uneasy looks.
When I was no longer a member, after my excommunication and shunning, I called former church members and I asked why they had left for other churches. They all told me the same thing: They were alarmed by the authoritarianism that the pastors/elders claimed to have over church members’ lives, the demands that we “obey and submit” to their authority, and that it was “un-Biblical.” These solid Christians, most were conservatives, said that the pastors/elders were doing an incredible amount of damage to Christians’ lives and seemed blinded to it.
Many former church members described the same kinds of meetings that I had been subjected to by the pastors/elders: Being invited to a meeting, not being told what it was about, and then being screamed and yelled at, falsely accused and threatened.
They also described the insufferable control that the pastors/elders expected to dictate over our lives.
Many people also said that they had been warned not to join the church by family members who were long-time Christians, friends, and others who spotted the signs of an abusive, authoritarian church. Others had spouses who refused to join and thought there was something wrong with the church. One husband said that the Holy Spirit came to him very strongly during a prayer time and said “no” don’t join. He, his wife, and children had a family meeting. The children said that they hated the church and what a cold, unloving place it was and they weren’t welcomed there and they didn’t want to return. After a family discussion they were all in agreement and they went to another church.
Max, on Wartburg Watch, posted this comment:
“This is actually quite common in New Calvinist churches, particularly church plants. Here’s the usual cycle based on observations in my area: (1) a young reformer rolls into town with church planting seed money from a parent church or denominational support, (2) someone in the community is approached to serve as the host for a home meeting to discuss the church plant (usually someone who is disgruntled from doing traditional church or who has noble aspirations to start a new work to reach the unchurched), (3) the host invites his friends and others from the community to a “Bible study” (= core group), (4) the group grows as the young reformer passionately talks about hills he would die on and a message that sort of sounds like the gospel, (5) after a few months, the group out-grows the host home and they look for a store-front to rent, school gym, off-hour meeting at another church (most commonly in yuppie areas), (6) the young reformer recruits a cool band and singers, (7) free coffee/donuts and the cool music begin to draw a larger and younger crowd, (8) the flock keeps growing (mostly 20s-40s), (9) the young reformer selects like-minded elders (young ones), (10) the original host of the core group gradually becomes less important to the young reformer – he gets wise to the scheme and leaves, (11) other core group members begin to feel left out as they become distanced from the cool pastor while others take their place as the new core – they, too, begin to see the deception and exit, (12) the old core group members are shunned in the community.
All sounds like God, doesn’t it.”
Requiring Women To ‘Submit’ Without Mutual Submission = Not Safe or Healthy
Covenants, Contracts, Community, Catholicism, Communism and Extra-biblical Visions (or The Shepherding Movement: Alive and Well in 2014)
There is a growing trend among evangelical churches to require members to sign a church covenant. In most of these churches, there is a legitimate desire to see the regular attenders, or members, engage in meaningful fellowship or community in order to maximize their potential for the greater glory of God. The leaders of these churches see the membership covenant as an effective tool to combat the apathy and narcissism which is so prevalent in Western culture. They would argue that biblical community is the antithesis of radicalindividualism and this individualism will continue to dominate the mindset of most churchgoers without a tangible tool like a membership covenant.
Not only does this narcissistic individualism undermine biblical community, advocates of membership covenants would contend that it undermines the vision that is cast by God-appointed leadership in the church. Vision casting is a concept advocated by Peter Drucker, (a noted Harvard…
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9Marks Attempting “Brand Enhancement” — Thou Art The Man
“Across the country, parishioners are now being challenged to take oaths, perform vows and sign covenants. These things would have been unheard of in generations past for one simple reason. These things used to be forbidden, or only permitted under the gravest of circumstances. A few decades ago churches founded their beliefs sturdily…
via 9Marks Attempting “Brand Enhancement” — Thou Art The Man
Tell The Truth.

Don’t Be a 9Marxist!
by Velour/Mtn Shepherdess
Note: 9/17/16 This 9Marks article is about my Amazon review of my abusive former church Grace Bible Fellowship of Silicon Valley, a 9 Marks church. I didn’t know at the time I joined GBFSV that Mark Dever, founder of the 9Marks of a [un]Healthy Church in Washington, D.C. and pastor at Capitol Hill Baptist Church there, had simply rolled out the 1970’s abusive heavy-Shepherding Movement’s tactics complete with excommunications and shunnings. The Florida Founders of the Shepherding Movement have apologized and repented for its abuses, controlling of Christians’ lives, lack of boundaries, and spiritual abuse.
Now that the damage is being done by Mark Dever’s 9Marks to lives across the nation and in countries around the world, 9 Marks is distancing themselves from the abuses even though they’ve advocated it. I’m, by the way, a woman not a man is the only additional comment I have to make.
“Here are fifteen marks that will keep you from being a “9Marxist,” that is, a church leader who abuses their authority.”
Source: Don’t Be a 9Marxist!
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